RE: [MasseyFerguson] Massey Ferguson and the Code Talkers.

I can remember seeing a dealership location on a trip to Canyon De Chelly (blue dot) . Looks like the Farmington location closed.

The enterprise may not have survived the 2008 Great Recession.

[Judy Kitson] James, Thanks for this idea to research. I find it interesting as here in Page, I sit virtually on the western border of the Navajo Reservation. During the time, approx. 1999 -2016 that my husband and his friend Gene were getting caught up in tractors and seemed to be collecting every abandoned tractor they could find off the Navajo Reservation, approx. 15, they only found one 9N and one TO 35. All the rest were other brands. But the reservation is big and I plan to do some looking and research on my own thanks to your idea.

[James] I recently saw the movie "Code Talkers" for the first time. The movie contained a lot of imagery of the four corners area where the movie starts and reminded me of trips to the Navajo area I made 25 years ago. One thing we all know is that things as portrayed in movies can be a little different than as we view them with our own eyes.

In 1995, I do not know about now, most of the tractors I saw at work or at rest on the Navajo reservation areas were Massey Ferguson. I was told that the tribal business enterprises included a multi-location Massey Ferguson dealership.

Well, back when young men were boarding greyhound busses at remote spots in the Navajo reservation to go off to be trained as Code Talkers, the Massey Ferguson brand did not exist yet. The Ford with Ferguson System 9N and 2N tractors might or might not have been sold in the area then.

I would be interested in knowing the history of how the Navajo tribal government ended up opening up a Massey Ferguson dealership and what has transpired since.

http://www.navajotractorinc.com/index.html [1]

https://www.facebook.com/navajotractorsales/ [2]


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[MasseyFerguson] Massey Ferguson and the Code Talkers.

The enterprise may not have survived the 2008 Great Recession.

[Judy Kitson] James, Thanks for this idea to research. I find it interesting as here in Page, I sit virtually on the western border of the Navajo Reservation. During the time, approx. 1999 -2016 that my husband and his friend Gene were getting caught up in tractors and seemed to be collecting every abandoned tractor they could find off the Navajo Reservation, approx. 15, they only found one 9N and one TO 35. All the rest were other brands. But the reservation is big and I plan to do some looking and research on my own thanks to your idea.

[James] I recently saw the movie "Code Talkers" for the first time. The movie contained a lot of imagery of the four corners area where the movie starts and reminded me of trips to the Navajo area I made 25 years ago. One thing we all know is that things as portrayed in movies can be a little different than as we view them with our own eyes.

In 1995, I do not know about now, most of the tractors I saw at work or at rest on the Navajo reservation areas were Massey Ferguson. I was told that the tribal business enterprises included a multi-location Massey Ferguson dealership.

Well, back when young men were boarding greyhound busses at remote spots in the Navajo reservation to go off to be trained as Code Talkers, the Massey Ferguson brand did not exist yet. The Ford with Ferguson System 9N and 2N tractors might or might not have been sold in the area then.

I would be interested in knowing the history of how the Navajo tribal government ended up opening up a Massey Ferguson dealership and what has transpired since.

http://www.navajotractorinc.com/index.html [1]

https://www.facebook.com/navajotractorsales/ [2]


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Agco selling Iseki an Oz and New Zealand.

We know that at some time in the past, Agco was having some smaller tractors built by Iseki and painted and lettered for Massey Ferguson and maybe Challenger. Now that Agco and TAFE (India) have interlocking ownership, Iseki seems to be out in the cold.  What is going on with this separate Iseki deal for Australia?

 

https://www.agcocorp.com/brands/Iseki.html

http://www.iseki.com.au/

Re: Massey Ferguson and the Code Talkers.

James,

Thanks for this idea to research.  I find it interesting as here in Page, I sit virtually on the western border of the Navajo Reservation.  During the time, approx. 1999 -2016 that my husband and his friend Gene were getting caught up in tractors and seemed to be collecting every abandoned tractor they could find off the Navajo Reservation, approx. 15,  they only found one 9N and one TO 35.  All the rest were other brands.  But the reservation is big and I plan to do some looking and research on my own thanks to your idea.

Judy

 

 

On 2020-04-05 13:19, James Peck wrote:

I recently saw the movie “Code Talkers” for the first time. The movie contained a lot of imagery of the four corners area where the movie starts and reminded me of trips to the Navajo area I made 25 years ago. One thing we all know is that things as portrayed in movies can be a little different than as we view them with our own eyes.

 

In 1995, I do not know about now, most of the tractors I saw at work or at rest on the Navajo reservation areas were Massey Ferguson. I was told that the tribal business enterprises included a multi-location Massey Ferguson dealership.

 

Well, back when young men were boarding greyhound busses at remote spots in the Navajo reservation to go off to be trained as Code Talkers, the Massey Ferguson brand did not exist yet. The Ford with Ferguson System 9N and 2N tractors might or might not have been sold in the area then.

 

I would be interested in knowing the history of how the Navajo tribal government ended up opening up a Massey Ferguson dealership and what has transpired since.

 

http://www.navajotractorinc.com/index.html

https://www.facebook.com/navajotractorsales/

 

Massey Ferguson and the Code Talkers.

I recently saw the movie “Code Talkers” for the first time. The movie contained a lot of imagery of the four corners area where the movie starts and reminded me of trips to the Navajo area I made 25 years ago. One thing we all know is that things as portrayed in movies can be a little different than as we view them with our own eyes.

 

In 1995, I do not know about now, most of the tractors I saw at work or at rest on the Navajo reservation areas were Massey Ferguson. I was told that the tribal business enterprises included a multi-location Massey Ferguson dealership.

 

Well, back when young men were boarding greyhound busses at remote spots in the Navajo reservation to go off to be trained as Code Talkers, the Massey Ferguson brand did not exist yet. The Ford with Ferguson System 9N and 2N tractors might or might not have been sold in the area then.

 

I would be interested in knowing the history of how the Navajo tribal government ended up opening up a Massey Ferguson dealership and what has transpired since.

 

http://www.navajotractorinc.com/index.html

https://www.facebook.com/navajotractorsales/

 

Who designed the TE-20 engine to front axle design?

According to "THE BOOK OF THE STANDARD MOTOR CAR COMPANY" the Ferguson organization claimed they had a completed tractor design but did not have drawings showing the engine to front axle connection. Standard worked those out.

Did the Z120 have such a feature or did Standard design it in.

http://vintagetractorengineer.com/2009/01/ferguson-te-20-to-20-and-to-30-model-variants/

Standard

I recently received a copy of the book "THE BOOK OF THE STANDARD MOTOR CAR COMPANY" by Graham Robson. ISBN 978-1-845843-43-4 www.veloce.co.uk

I bought the book because the exact nature of the Ferguson tractor building effort by Standard is not well known in the US.

Coventry itself is fascinating due to its involvement with the Enigma machine decoding. At some point in WW2 a Luftwaffe bombing of the city's Shadow Factories took place with only token opposition because a strong defensive reaction would have revealed that the Enigma code had been broken.

Through an antique tractor email group, I became aware that the Standard 23C 4 cylinder diesel engine had been used in US built Ferguson TO-35s in the later fifties.

Looking at the relationship between Ferguson and Standard it looks like Standard filled in some of the gaps in tractor design that the Ferguson design team lacked in order to make a go of the TE-30 tractor which is what really made Ferguson.

Ferguson did not have drawings for the differential casting/housing, the transmission, or the engine mounting when they approached Standard. I am guessing Ford and before that Brown had kept those to themselves.

A fellow I used to interact with through lean circles lent me a book which emphasized that in the early fifties Standard had the world's most efficient auto assembly plant. Ferguson made a great choice.

The Handshake Agreement

I have a hard copy of the Issue 94 January 2020 "Ferguson Furrows" in my possession. This is published by FENA, http://fergusontractors.org/nfs/magazine/ I am member 1521.

Pages 22 to 25 of this issue document the famous handshake agreement in which Harry Ferguson and Henry Ford became partners. After the agreement, Harry returned to Europe to dissolve his prior agreement with David Brown. The Ferguson-Brown Type A that was used in the demonstration that led to the agreement was left in the possession of the Ford organization.

A Ford team of 10 engineers led by Lawrence Sheldrick as chief engineer and Harold Brock as team leader was assembled and given working space in the Rouge complex. This team disassembled the Ferguson-Brown Type A and built three 9N prototypes for testing. This was all done with Harry out of the area.

This article has no mention of who did any drafting work or at what scale any drawings were made. This does explain why the Ferguson design team which joined them on Harry's return had no drawings of the differential, gearbox, and engine to front axle parts when they entered into a subsequent arrangement with Standard.